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DG082: Can probiotics be taken despite histamine intolerance?

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In this episode of the Darmglück podcast, I answer a listener's question. It's about histamine intolerance, pro- and prebiotics and parasites. If you've ever suspected an imbalance in your gut flora, then you should definitely listen to this episode.

I talk about:
  • the difference between prebiotics and probiotics
  • which natural foods you can find prebiotics and probiotics in
  • which foods can cause problems with histamine intolerance
  • which food supplements you can take
  • what you can do if you are diagnosed with a parasite infestation
  • how a healthy intestinal environment helps the body to help itself

"Hello Julia, this is Nadine. I've written to you before with a question about histamine intolerance. What is the best thing to do with prebiotics? That's with thedifferent strains is sometimes a bit difficult. Also with ferments. I am a bigssfan of fermenting, but I also know people who can't tolerate it. Maybe you can tell me the best way to do this and how to go about it.
I'm currently watching the episode about Crohn's disease. The question is: if you discover parasites, what do you do? Do you use natural remedies like clove oil, wormwood, garlic and things like that? Or do you haveremedies, that you think are good and can recommend?
Thank you very much and keep up the good work. Thank you for your great podcast."

Thank you for your question, Nadine. I'vedecided to answer the question here in thepodcast because there are some points that might also interest other listeners. So I'll start with the question:Which probiotics and prebiotics can can be taken for histamine intolerance?


Probiotics and prebiotics


I'm not quite sure why you're asking thequestionif you have a histamine intolerance yourself. To me italmost sounds like you're asking in general or for someone else.If it's about you, I would say just try it out. Then you'll find out if you can tolerate it or not. Of course, that's a bit of a flippant answer.
First of all, I want to make absolutely sure: Itsounded like you said"prebiotics". It is important to note that there is a difference between probiotics and prebiotics. Probiotics are bacteria that are good for the gut."Pro-"means"for","bios"means"life", i.e."for life". These are probiotics. Prebiotics are dietary fibers thatserve as food for theprobiotics, the bacteria. This is sometimes confused, so I thought I'd clarify it again so that everyoneknows. There areprobiotics, and there areprebiotics.
It is best to take both. Both are available in natural form,as foods that you can buy.These can be things that contain these prebiotics, these fibers, such as asparagus or oatmeal. I recently learned that green bananas also contain prebiotics. Topinambur, for example, is also a source, as areonions or garlic - you have to see if you can find them.that are tolerated at all.These are all foods that contain prebiotics - i.e. good dietary fiber - whichthen serve as food for the bacteria.
Probiotics are found in natural form in everything that is fermented. You also mentioned ferments. There 's sauerkraut orkimchi, for example, but also yogurt, kefir...things like that. However, you need to know thatbacteriado not survive for long in a liquid environment. This means that yoghurt in particular has to be very, very fresh to ensure that there are still enough living bacteria in it.We recently visited afermentista.He measured how long the bacteria remain active in his fermented foods.He said that the number of bacteriadecreasesafter justthreemonthsand significantly after six months. So of course it doesn't last forever.
In contrast, there are products in powder form. These are freeze-dried bacteria. If they are good products, ifthe product is ofgood quality, theyreally are active for as long as the best-before date says, for example two years.So much for the introduction.

Pro- and prebiotics for histamine intolerance


Now you have asked what the situation is with histamine intolerance, because there are supposed to be certain strains of bacteria that increase histamine.
I can say that the risk ofprobiotics causing aproblem with histamine intolerance is negligible.The main problemis your lifestyle,i.e. the stress you are under, and of course your diet. If you eat a reallyhealthy, low-histamine diet that is good for your gut, then The contribution that probiotics make to histamine intolerance isnegligible. This means that you can take probiotics as normal, even if you have a histamine intolerance.
However, it is important to be a little careful. If you have a histamine intolerance, it makes sense to try things out, maybe just buy a small packet to start with andsee how your body reacts: How does the body react? I have found that not everyone reacts the same way to histamine.
Sure,there are lists. In order to draw up these lists - what contains a lot of histamine and what doesn't - this was apparently tested on mice. I don't know if that's true.I would be interested to know. If anyoneknows, please write to me. But that means that a list is always a theory. You can stickto such a list, but it is quite possible that some things will still work even though they are on the list, or that certain things are not tolerated even though they are not on the list.That's why I always advocatetrying things out for yourself.
However,fermented foods are not recommended for histamine intolerance. Anything that has been matured for a long time, thathas"reacted for a long time" - such as vinegar, red wine or matured cheese -should be avoided if you have a histamine intolerance. If thesymptoms improve, you can then try it again. However, if you have a histamine intolerance, I would prefer to take a food supplement.
As some of my listeners will know, we work with products from Arktis BioPharma in Switzerland. My husband is the Swiss representative of ArktisBioPharma, so we know their products best. For example, there is a fermented drink called "Herbal" is called. This ishistamine-free. This is tested in the laboratory.Although it is a fermented drink,itis also compatible with histamine intolerance. That would also be something you could try, for example.


What can you do against parasites?


The next part of the question was aboutparasites.With regard to parasites, I have to say that we arenotparticularly familiar with essential oils.We have a chemist in Switzerland who knows a lot about it and we always recommend that our customers call him, get advice and ask what products they can use. Usually it's actually essential oils. You're right about that.
Parasites or an imbalance in the microbiome in general has a lot to do with the environment. If you do everything you can to get your environment back in order, then the body canoften regain this balance.If thereare enough good bacteria, if you eat a gut-friendly diet, if you make sure that you can reduce the stress in your life and thus restore a balance, then you can really assume that this gut environment can help itself.
Thisdoesn't mean that you shouldn't take essential oils. If you know which parasites you can take what for, then you should definitely take it as support. Then I would test again. If there is still a problem, you may have to resort to stronger remedies. But I wouldn 't necessarily recommend itas a first measure.
Of course, it depends again: What kind of parasite is it? What does it do? You have to look at it individually. These are questions that cannot be answered in general terms. Basically, I would always discussit with a therapistwho is familiar with the subject. But I would do not necessarily blindlytake any anti-worm medication.Sometimes antibiotics are also given. I would clarifythis if at all possible and if it is justifiable from a health point of view. Ultimately, I would also discuss this with a doctor.You really have to look at it individually: What is the person's state of health? What have they perhaps already done?
For me, the first step when something is wrong in the gut is always tosupportthe body from different angles, as holistically as possible, through diet, lifestyle and the appropriate pro- and prebiotics, and torebuildthe environment.This is something we notice in many people: That the good bacteria are missing,thatthere arefar too few lactic acid bacteriaand that the pH value isoften far too high - in other words, too alkaline. Then the intestinal environment is simply not right and the body cannot defend itself. Therefore, alwaysbuild up theenvironment in the first stepand whenit is built up again, simply retest. But it also takes a bit of patience,so don't retest too early. I would recommend waitingat leastthree months, preferably six months. Then you will also notice: How am I doing? How are the symptoms? How do I feel?How is my diet going?
Many people think:"Yes, I can just swallow something for two weeks or take a few probiotics, a few psyllium seeds and then everything will be fine again." Of course, if you haven't looked after your microbiome for years and years, if you haven't eaten in a way that is actually beneficial for your body, then you can't expect it to be all gone in two weeks. Ittakes a bit of patience. Nutrition, which I've talked about several times here in the podcast, is an important component and it doesn't work without it.Many people hope that they can perhaps manage without it and simply take some kind of medication. That doesn't work, because of course we need the nutrients that are beneficial, that are anti-inflammatory, for example. I talked about this in the previous episode. It doesn't work on its own. It really requires a holistic strategy data-contrast="auto"> necessary. However, if you implement all of this, then you can assume that complaints such as histamine intolerance orparasite infestation can also be managed through diet and supplements with pro- and prebiotics.
I hope this has answered your question, Nadine.

I'm delighted that you joined us andit would be wonderful if you could listen again next week. I wish you a wonderful rest of the day.


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